Seth Rogan, I Hate You.

So in my post about Adventureland ( “We Don’t Get This” ) there were some comments in the post itself and also in the comments between Kate and I that might have implied that I dislike Seth Rogan. At the time I was talking about Seth Rogan as one of the people that defines a certain genre of film and humor. But today…today I hate Seth Rogan! His new film “Observe & Report”? Apparently it contains a scene where Rogan’s character date rapes a woman intoxicated on high levels of tequila and anti-depressants. She’s so wasted she actually throws up on herself before it happens. But it’s still funny! Why? Well let’s just hear what Seth has to say:

In an interview with the Washington City Paper he states:

SETH ROGEN: When we’re having sex and she’s unconscious like you can literally feel the audience thinking, like, how the fuck are they going to make this okay? Like, what can possibly be said or done that I’m not going to walk out of the movie theater in the next thirty seconds? . . . And then she says, like, the one thing that makes it all okay:
BRANDI: “Why are you stopping, motherfucker?”

Okay that IS NOT consent! When you are so fucked up that you have vomited on yourself you cannot give informed consent! That line could have been about anything, don’t even assume at that point that’s she’s aware of her circumstances in any but the most random way. Trust me, on one or two occasions I’ve been that drunk and I have things I said recalled to me that I am absolutely horrified by and do things I never would have done sober. The argument that Brandi’s line somehow absolves him of raping her? NO! Let’s look at the fact that he never asked for consent before he started to undress her, he was obviously already set on the goal of sex whether she consented or not and nothing was going to stand in his way. The fact that her random ramblings while supremely intoxicated could be imagined to be INFORMED CONSENT allows Rogan’s charater to continue do what he was already doing while having some sort of balm for his guilt. It also allows the audience of mostly misogynistic and immature men to chuckle in public at something society tells them they should be horrified by. They don’t have to have guilt over having a fucked-up racist as a POV character or enjoying that scene because she said that line and that makes it humor! Funny!

No! 

Rape is NOT funny! Being violated is NOT a joke! Every time you mock sexual assault you make it more okay in the cultural discourse. It becomes a more acceptable act because after all even girls so fucked up they vomit on themselves want it? right? right?

I had heard that Superbad had it’s share of date-rape jokes which is the main reason I’ve never seen it. This film takes it a step further – not only is it acceptable to mock someones emotional anguish over being assaulted but it’s fine and dandy to perform the act! Fuck you Seth Rogan! Last week I hated you in an amorphous kind of way, now I want to punch you in your mouth!

P.S. We won’t even go into the fact that this scene and the violent rape scene from Last House on the Left made it past the MPAA but any hint of any alternative sexuality and there’s no way to get an R rating – ex. The Bruno film from Sasha Baron Cohen. Conflation, intersection of two mindset – firstly that women and women’s pain does not truly matter and so can be shown and mocked with impunity and secondly that any kind of sex act that GLBTQ people engage in is inherently dirty or sinful.

Hat tip to Jezebel: Is Date Rape Funny? Seth Rogan Explains It All To You

5 responses to “Seth Rogan, I Hate You.

  1. Naamen, I think I love you. You say everything that I could think to say and better than I ever could.

  2. That’s really discouraging.

    I recently discovered that the verb ‘rape’ is being used in new contexts, like to say one thing really dominated another thing or was way better than. That cover really raped the original, or some such. I find this wholly disturbing.

  3. Ico-
    Why thank you Ico I really appreciate it but I think you say it pretty well yourself.

    Kate-
    Isn’t it?
    I have never heard of this verbing of rape and as I read that paragraph it made me shudder and at the same time it’s less of a surprise than I wish it was. What is wrong with people? Considering the high amount of sexual assault among women the fact that they don’t even seem to contemplate the triggering effect this kind of visual or word use could have on the people around them? That tells me a lot about these men and the contempt they hold for women as a whole.

    (Note to all: I do realize that rape/sexual assault is not linked to gender in any real way, anybody of any gender can suffer a sexual assault, but when these boys use it they are very obviously connecting the word to femaleness and that’s whay I’m speaking of it as being a sign of contempt for women specifically.)

  4. It was in fact a throwaway comment on Facebook by my (nice) 15 year old nephew. I asked my (19 yr old) son if he would mind being the one to kindly and paternalistically mention to his cousin how UTTERLY in appropriate that verb usage was. It really shocked me. And I am not easily shocked.

  5. I’m glad that there are other people with the brains and the courage to realise that this kind of thing is really not ok. I can’t think of a topic more upsetting and as several of you have said- really scarily mysoginistic. Pretty appalled by how cheap laughs are all other people in my generation seem to give a crap about.

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