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	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Movies, Cops &#38; Emails 5-09-08 Links by Kate Elliott</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/5-09-08-links/#comment-4929</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bankuei, thanks for the clarification.  I asked both my sons, who have seen the film, and they knew that part was "set in" Afghanistan but that may only have been because they had read reviews which stated that was the case. Their opinion was that the screenwriter(s) could have written a provocative plot dealing with the global arms trade, but did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bankuei, thanks for the clarification.  I asked both my sons, who have seen the film, and they knew that part was &#8220;set in&#8221; Afghanistan but that may only have been because they had read reviews which stated that was the case. Their opinion was that the screenwriter(s) could have written a provocative plot dealing with the global arms trade, but did not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movies, Cops &#38; Emails 5-09-08 Links by bankuei</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/5-09-08-links/#comment-4927</link>
		<dc:creator>bankuei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie doesn't actually state what country it's happening in, or give any context other than military action against brown people.  There is a scene after Stark is captured, where he is tied up on a chair, being recorded by videocamera while masked guys read something in another langauge- completely playing off hostage videos.

You know, Hollywood, "Americans don't know and don't care"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie doesn&#8217;t actually state what country it&#8217;s happening in, or give any context other than military action against brown people.  There is a scene after Stark is captured, where he is tied up on a chair, being recorded by videocamera while masked guys read something in another langauge- completely playing off hostage videos.</p>
<p>You know, Hollywood, &#8220;Americans don&#8217;t know and don&#8217;t care&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movies, Cops &#38; Emails 5-09-08 Links by Kate Elliott</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/5-09-08-links/#comment-4923</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 06:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, I worked up the courage to read the article on Romona Moore, because such stories must be heard.  My god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, I worked up the courage to read the article on Romona Moore, because such stories must be heard.  My god.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movies, Cops &#38; Emails 5-09-08 Links by Kate Elliott</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/5-09-08-links/#comment-4922</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 06:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked a lot of the points WoC PhD makes (although I admit I haven't seen the movie), but (and again, I haven't seen the movie), I'm puzzled by this comment &lt;i&gt;presenting flattened out stereotypes of Arab people&lt;/i&gt; because my understanding is that the first part of the movie takes place in Afghanistan, and the different tribal peoples who live in Afghanistan aren't Arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked a lot of the points WoC PhD makes (although I admit I haven&#8217;t seen the movie), but (and again, I haven&#8217;t seen the movie), I&#8217;m puzzled by this comment <i>presenting flattened out stereotypes of Arab people</i> because my understanding is that the first part of the movie takes place in Afghanistan, and the different tribal peoples who live in Afghanistan aren&#8217;t Arabs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When GLBT Groups Advocate for Bashers&#8230; by Less Lee</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/when-glbt-groups-advocate-for-bashers/#comment-4919</link>
		<dc:creator>Less Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for the link and quotes to my Not Proud of Being White Piece.

This is a good post. It seems more and more that this type of intersectionality between and among oppressed groups is being ignored. The whole Seal Press/brownfemipower debacle is a great example, but one which I won't even get into because I'll be here all night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for the link and quotes to my Not Proud of Being White Piece.</p>
<p>This is a good post. It seems more and more that this type of intersectionality between and among oppressed groups is being ignored. The whole Seal Press/brownfemipower debacle is a great example, but one which I won&#8217;t even get into because I&#8217;ll be here all night.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When GLBT Groups Advocate for Bashers&#8230; by Ico</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/when-glbt-groups-advocate-for-bashers/#comment-4918</link>
		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record -- I'm an animal rights activist.  ^^  And the campus group I worked with did lend cages (for demos) and sometimes office space to the campus Amnesty International group; there was some crossover.  This was even more true at my sister's school, where the animal rights group is the same group that also worked on sweatshop issues (they just had one activist group and tried to address everything they could).

I'll definitely agree with you, though, that racism is a problem in the movement (along with classism, sexism, and a lot of other things -- actually there's a post on this over at Vegans of Color): http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/the-cult-of-veganism-or-sit-down-shut-up-little-brown-girl/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record &#8212; I&#8217;m an animal rights activist.  ^^  And the campus group I worked with did lend cages (for demos) and sometimes office space to the campus Amnesty International group; there was some crossover.  This was even more true at my sister&#8217;s school, where the animal rights group is the same group that also worked on sweatshop issues (they just had one activist group and tried to address everything they could).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll definitely agree with you, though, that racism is a problem in the movement (along with classism, sexism, and a lot of other things &#8212; actually there&#8217;s a post on this over at Vegans of Color): <a href="http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/the-cult-of-veganism-or-sit-down-shut-up-little-brown-girl/" rel="nofollow">http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/the-cult-of-veganism-or-sit-down-shut-up-little-brown-girl/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on When GLBT Groups Advocate for Bashers&#8230; by bankuei</title>
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		<dc:creator>bankuei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nowhere to the same level, but this is what bugs me about animal rights activists- I never see them standing up for human rights at the same time.  

My good friend Les just sent me an article about someone hunting pigeons with a blowgun up in Seattle- theres a $2000 reward.  How often do these same people put up rewards when one of our kids goes missing?

Oh, that's right, sky shitters are worth more than POC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowhere to the same level, but this is what bugs me about animal rights activists- I never see them standing up for human rights at the same time.  </p>
<p>My good friend Les just sent me an article about someone hunting pigeons with a blowgun up in Seattle- theres a $2000 reward.  How often do these same people put up rewards when one of our kids goes missing?</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right, sky shitters are worth more than POC.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When GLBT Groups Advocate for Bashers&#8230; by Meep</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/when-glbt-groups-advocate-for-bashers/#comment-4914</link>
		<dc:creator>Meep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It reminds me of when I was involved in a transgender group and the leader told us (while looking at me), "But there are only white people in this group!"

Nothing like a little lip service from your fellow transfolk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminds me of when I was involved in a transgender group and the leader told us (while looking at me), &#8220;But there are only white people in this group!&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing like a little lip service from your fellow transfolk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Final WisCon Programming Assignment! by Ico</title>
		<link>http://naamenblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/final-wiscon-programming-assignment/#comment-4909</link>
		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;one of the myriad of reasons I have yet to see Pirates of the Caribbean 3 is the fact that they yellowed up Chow Yun Fat’s skin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... seriously?  OMG.  I did not know this.
I *did* think the second Pirates movie was awful with that whole stupid cannibalism thing.  And I was pretty annoyed that in the third movie Calypso, supposedly all-powerful sea goddess, kinda just disappears after she's released.  I kept thinking that she should've gotten to do so much more.  

But she's a black woman.  And it's the white men who are the heroes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>one of the myriad of reasons I have yet to see Pirates of the Caribbean 3 is the fact that they yellowed up Chow Yun Fat’s skin.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; seriously?  OMG.  I did not know this.<br />
I *did* think the second Pirates movie was awful with that whole stupid cannibalism thing.  And I was pretty annoyed that in the third movie Calypso, supposedly all-powerful sea goddess, kinda just disappears after she&#8217;s released.  I kept thinking that she should&#8217;ve gotten to do so much more.  </p>
<p>But she&#8217;s a black woman.  And it&#8217;s the white men who are the heroes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When GLBT Groups Advocate for Bashers&#8230; by Ico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*  Yeah... the LGBT stuff is something I'm actually doing a bit of research on right now.  It's funny, I wish I'd read this post of yours three months ago.  I'm looking at the subject of queering teacher education classrooms, and out of 50+ articles I've read on the problems of homophobia, almost none of them mention intersections with race.  

But when I first started looking into it, I was only looking at what was on the page, not at what was *missing* from the articles.  Finally it hit me that there was an implicit assumption of whiteness.  That categorizing sexuality as an issue separate from race and gender did the same thing to queer people of color that mainstream feminism does to women of color.  It ignores/eliminates intersections of oppression and perpetuates the structures of privilege that are in place, homogenizing heterosexism into this essentially white issue.  And it seems like the LGBT movement as a whole does this.  Battling heterosexism first -- not recognizing that racism and sexism are intertwined with it and that you can't compartmentalize oppression or ignore the effects of other sorts of privilege in a movement.  Because then you have that "all the women are [straight] white[s], all the blacks are [straight] men," all the gays are white (men) sort of thing going on.

... and then stuff like this happens.  

But, when people have a very narrow focus (for example: say professors exploring homophobia), how do you convince them that racism/sexism/etc *are* LGBT issues?  That it's not just a side problem -- that you can't separate your race from your queerness or only look at one type of privilege at a time?  

Just thinking/wondering aloud...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*  Yeah&#8230; the LGBT stuff is something I&#8217;m actually doing a bit of research on right now.  It&#8217;s funny, I wish I&#8217;d read this post of yours three months ago.  I&#8217;m looking at the subject of queering teacher education classrooms, and out of 50+ articles I&#8217;ve read on the problems of homophobia, almost none of them mention intersections with race.  </p>
<p>But when I first started looking into it, I was only looking at what was on the page, not at what was *missing* from the articles.  Finally it hit me that there was an implicit assumption of whiteness.  That categorizing sexuality as an issue separate from race and gender did the same thing to queer people of color that mainstream feminism does to women of color.  It ignores/eliminates intersections of oppression and perpetuates the structures of privilege that are in place, homogenizing heterosexism into this essentially white issue.  And it seems like the LGBT movement as a whole does this.  Battling heterosexism first &#8212; not recognizing that racism and sexism are intertwined with it and that you can&#8217;t compartmentalize oppression or ignore the effects of other sorts of privilege in a movement.  Because then you have that &#8220;all the women are [straight] white[s], all the blacks are [straight] men,&#8221; all the gays are white (men) sort of thing going on.</p>
<p>&#8230; and then stuff like this happens.  </p>
<p>But, when people have a very narrow focus (for example: say professors exploring homophobia), how do you convince them that racism/sexism/etc *are* LGBT issues?  That it&#8217;s not just a side problem &#8212; that you can&#8217;t separate your race from your queerness or only look at one type of privilege at a time?  </p>
<p>Just thinking/wondering aloud&#8230;</p>
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